Rick Rubin sat down with legendary Outkast member Andre 3000, and the two talked for an hour about life, creation and more. In this segment, Andre and Rick talk about isolation and how extreme it can get, the loneliness that he experiences, and his genuine want to feel and live normal.

About The Podcast: For generations of music lovers, the liner notes on albums were a central part of the way music was heard. You bought an album and it came with an accompanying narrative: a digression, an aside, a backstory—maybe even an invented history. We intuitively understood that great music required not just listening but conversation between the artist and the audience and the audience and the rest of the world. Broken Record is a podcast that restarts those conversations—in a world without liner notes—for a new audience of music lovers. Broken Record is hosted by Justin Richmond with interviews by the producer Rick Rubin, the writer Malcolm Gladwell, and the former New York Times editor Bruce Headlam.