Hulu’s original series Wu-Tang: An American Saga is back with season 2. The series follows a young Bobby Diggs, better known as RZA, works to unify a dozen young Black men who are torn between a life of crime and their undying love for music. This season spotlights a few more members like Wu-Tang DJ and prolific producer, Mathematics, who we had the privilege of speaking with in an exclusive phone interview.

Mathematics is the creative artist behind the iconic Wu-Tang logo. Season 2 explores the elements leading up to Mathematics creation and the backstory behind one of the most iconic images in music. Ahead of the 30th anniversary, we speak with the legendary artist on how he first discovered the arts, how his artistic and musical worlds collide, and what role he plays in the current season streaming now on Hulu.

Read more from our conversation with Mathematics below:

1. People of course know you for being a DJ and a prolific producer, but a lot of people didn’t know you created the iconic Wu-Tang logo. How did you begin your artistic journey outside of the music?

Hip hop is art. They go hand and hand. When they said hip hop wasn’t real music, they said graffiti wasn’t real art. It’s both an expression of yourself. Even with a Picasso, when you see a Picasso, I don’t think that resonated with people off top either. Sometimes you have to stand back and look at things, and even listen. Let it grow and develop.

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